The allowed rate should not be static, like 1Mbps. It should actually depend on the network conditions. The core goal of making sure background downloads don't interfere with games or streaming is reasonable. It's just that it's implemented in the wrong way, and triggered even when not necessary. If I understand correctly, I would not be able to notice these issues at all with my 5 Mbps adsl.
Welcome to Germany. Seems like a "feature" that only surfaced with the advent of high Speed internet. Interesting to have some figures on this matter although I thought everyone was aware of the fact that apps being open at all limited the download speed. That said I have apps set to be suspended in rest mode but have measured how fast the same download took Both with ps4 on and in game and in rest mode with game suspended and even accounting for changes in Internet bandwidth that occurred in that time period the download when in rest mode was almost twice as fast.
Something not explained by changes in Internet bandwidth. Out of interest I don't think you said we're you using normal Ps4 or ps4 pro? As the pro in theory has faster clocks peed on cpu which might effect how games using cpu effect any download limiting in those cases it also has the newer WiFi chipset I believe.
Thanks for that, community. We need people like you in the company, rather than just business folk! It appears that the ARM coprocessor is not actually used for downloads, even though it was the original plan. Sony stated this officially soon after the PS4 launch, and nothing I've seen suggests that things have changed since then. This was on an non-slim PS4. Yes, there could be a difference between "game running" and "game suspended in rest mode"; specifically it does look like actively playing a game can cause the download to genuinely starve for CPU.
You can find the section where this is discussed by searching for "Horizon". Excellent article thanks. Explains why pointing at my synology nas proxy sorted out the performance for me. I just wonder if receive window affects ps now applications as well. Sony would shoot themself in the foot if it does since ps4 allow to play ps now game while normal game is idling in the background. Can this be easily verified I wonder? It'll be easy to verify by taking a packet capture. PSN is due to collapse.
Its not built for the future. Cant even change your name or region on it. Only a matter of time, and they thought that hack a few years ago was bad. Interesting article! My friends and I do not only have the slow download problem, but something even worse: The "preparing download" takes over minutes times, often even longer than the download itself especially when loading updates for installed games.
Did this issue ever occur to any of you guys? I really wonder if there is a fix for this. Interesting Article. However, there must be other reasons for slow speeds. Otherwise, pausing and resuming a download should not help, which it often does. Sometimes dramatically so. Impressive analysis, thank you for sharing. I noticed on your graphs you were testing in the late morning, did you see a variability throughout the day? My reason for asking is that in the US, netflix would often be the worst from to , I'm curious if you matched that pattern.
That might indicate an overall network load correlation. The PS4 has a special chip that can download files while the rest of the PS4 sleeps, right? Probably some integration with that that's causing it..
This was covered in an earlier comment. Downloads being handled by a coprocoessor was the original plan, but that's not what Sony implemented. Even in rest mode, it's done by the main CPU. My belief is that they've done this intentionally to prevent performance issues from downloading quickly, probably with a big issue being disk access from downloading so fast, as well as affecting latency for online games and CPU usage.
While using a local proxy is a good workaround the PS4 at least the original model can be almost unusable while downloading especially multiple downloads , causing both the games and OS to stutter and the controller to become unresponsive, taking 3 or 4 seconds to react to a button press. Sure, it could be that this is what they were going for. The static limit on the receive window means that your setup still ends up unusable due to the downloads being too fast, while other people have their downloads unnecessarily throttled to a speed far below the effective disk speed.
Without it, downloads would take hours, with it, minutes. Is it possible the latest system software 5. Can't say for sure without actually redoing the testing. Download speeds can vary for all kinds of reasons; the only way to be certain are systematic tests.
But my feeling is that they haven't fixed it. At least I had an awkwardly slow download last week, after having forgotten to close a game. But it could also have been just a coincidence. It all depends on your Internet connection.
I live in the middle of nowhere and get 1Mbps. I can just about stream SD video as long as nothing else is using the connection, and so I applaud anything Sony are doing to throttle downloads when anything else is using the Internet connection. The problem here is that the Youtube or Netflix app is on is an awful way to detect whether somebody else is using the connection.
First, it has false positives due to including the cases where the app is actually active or not. If Youtube is suspended in the background, there's absolutely no way. Second, it has a ton of false negatives due to only looking at what's happening on that PS4 system.
That's an absurd assumption: in the modern world a household will have half a dozen devices using the same internet connection. The current solution does not help at all for the case where I'm trying to watch a Youtube clip on my computer while the PS4 downloads something, or someone is trying to read a webpage on their phone, etc. Like I wrote in the post, there are proper ways of doing this by looking at the actual network traffic patterns.
The "what apps are kind of running" approach chosen for the PS4 is just totally broken. I don't know if it's just me but my Playstation 4 has had absolutely terrible internet speeds.
Nothing I've done has worked, and this has been a problem since the latest firmware update. Had zero problems, downloads started immediately and were consistent until they were finished. On the Playstation 4 the speeds fluctuate all over the place, sometimes it changes dramatically when I pause and resume.
Then it slows down more and more until it becomes unbearable. Then there's the questionable sign in problem along with PSN overall being medicore in the past few months.
So how does an old, 12 year old console from the past generation give me better speeds and better consistency than a modern console that is supposed to be good? It's very frustrating. I'm this close to buying a new Slim PS4 model just to see if the download speeds and performance are any better.
Could please Test the slim version? I would like too see what has actually changed or improved on the Slim model. I am having very slow downloads speed on my PS4 that has wired connection to the router and nothing running in the background. Why have we gone from buying decent full games that download fast on ps3 to broken half a games and really slow downloading.
By getting a computer on your local network to do some of the heavy lifting, it may be possible to increase your download speed. This is especially true for early PlayStation 4 models, which have notoriously flaky network adapters.
Hold the Options key and click on the Network icon in the top-right corner of the screen. Keep in mind that your PS4 will need to use this proxy to access the internet. The DNS servers you use determine which servers are resolved when you enter a web address.
Some have theories that your choice of DNS servers affect which servers your console uses for downloads. The best way to do this is to change your DNS servers on your router, which will affect all devices on your network.
When was the last time you tested your internet speed? If your internet speed is slow to begin with, nothing you do to your PS4 is going to improve things. Test your connection using a laptop or desktop computer by going to Speedtest.
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Browse All Privacy and Security Articles Browse All Linux Articles Browse All Buying Guides. Best iPhone 13 Pro Case. Best Bluetooth Headphones for Switch. Best Roku TV. Best Apple Watch. Juho Snellman, a systems programmer in Zurich, Switzerland, cautions that there may be other reasons for a slow download that are specific to a user's network or internet service provider. This is a great circular firing squad where Sony could blame your cable company which can blame your router and back and then no one ever has to be responsible.
But Snellman says he observed a jaw droppingly small "receive window" when anything was running in the background on the PS4. Snellman says he ran two tests, the first with the download running in the foreground but a Netflix application running in the background. When the Netflix app closed, the receive window increased significantly.
So Snellman began a second test that introduced all kinds of different background functions to see what would happen. In one, the game Styx: Shards of Darkness idled in its title screen. That shrank the receive window to 7 KB. Snellman stresses this the artificial limit "appears to only apply to PSN downloads" — i.
And, notably, running the console's built-in speed test will not reveal the reduced download capacity. For me, this is one of the most maddening things, to see a download is taking forever, to check what is wrong with my network connection and be told everything is A-OK. Apparently it suffers from bad sectors. Please try to full-format it in order to restore its original perfromance.
Most probably the PS4 hard drive is corrupted. You have to FULL format it in order to revive it. I just recently got gta v and while playing for about 15 minutes, the game crashed and turned off the ps4 by itself.
I tried everything. I deleted and downloaded it again, but I feel like it just made it worse. My PS4 just became slower and would crash constantly. Everything used to work perfectly fine until i downloaded gta. Apparently you have to replace the PS4 internal hard drive in order to work around this issue. Most probably you have a failing PS4 hard drive.
The main PS4 screen and other games work fine and respond as soon as i press or move a button. You have to connect your PS4 hard drive to a PC and perform a full format on it. Please read this guide for more details. I have rebuilt the data base and reinitialized the whole ps4 and still nothing ive cleaned the ps4 inside entirely and it is still laggy but still runs some games for a bit then crashes.
Is it the harddrive or something far worse? It is suffering from bad sectors that causes it to slow down. Try first to connect it to a PC and full format it , then check again. Hello, Sorry if this is the 2nd time I post similar message. Could still try to initialize it aswell. Thanks in advance. Thanks for the advice! Great to see people like u still put time into great guide!
Your problem is not so critical and is easy to fix with no cost. Please provide us with your update on your issue so that other users who have the same problem may benefit. Recently Ive noticed that whenever I do anything on my ps4 it stutters while watching a show or going through ps4 menu it will stutter back on a input and the background flow with the themes are also stuttering. It is a old ps4 back from December and this started happening 2 days ago.
Most probably your PS4 hard drive is declining. You better do a FULL format on it in order to restore the original performance. My PlayStation system has a please wait message when I turn it on and after an hour of waiting for it to load it goes into a blue screen and stays there until it automatically turns off and the process repeats itself. I have not been able to play for 4 days now and I am not sure how to fix this.
You might have an overheating issue with the PS4. Try to clean the inside of PS4. Or maybe it is a critical PS4 hard drive failure. My roommate downloaded games onto my PS4 and filled up the hard drive almost all the way. After he did this, the PS4 was really laggy so I freed up almost half the space on the hard drive.
However, games still lag and freeze after I freed up space. I rebuilt the database twice and it has not helped either. Is this a problem with the hard drive or could it be dust buildup causing the lagging and freezing? I just got a message on my PS4 saying an error has occurred SU What does this mean? How do I fix it? To read more on this issue and how to fix it, please click here. Games on my PS4 Pro starting to lag really bad. NBA 2k21 loads really slow and freezes almost the entire game.
I have rebuilt the database. What should my next steps be? Try to thoroughly clean the PS4, as you might have an overheating issue not a hard drive problem. Eventually, if you find out that the internal hard drive needs replacement, I strongly advise you to buy an SSD for your PS4 Pro, especially if it is a few years old, as it is much more durable and reliable compared to classical hard drives. Okay, will look into these methods. Will get back to you and see what works.
Thank you. You better get that console after 2 year of its release. It seems your PS4 internal hard drive is failing and have critical issue. The first step we advise our readers and customers to do is to full-format it on a PC. So recently i had a power outage while playing a game. It had corrupted the system software and i ended having to initialize it and reinstall the system software from safe mode.
What else should i try? Apparently, your PS4 hard drive was badly impacted by the power outage. You can read on how bad power outage is to your PS4. What you have to do now is to full-format the PS4 internal hard drive. You need to connect it to a PC and do the full format operation. If after the format the PS4 is still having issues, you need to upgrade the PS4 had to an SSD , as it is more reliable when it comes to power issues. Hey I recently swapped out the old G hard drive with a new HDD 1TB hard drive and ever since then it has run extremely poorly, I have tried to delete the software and install it back on countless times and all have been unsuccessful.
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